Unlike the dialogues with Ranger, where his Black Speech is translated into English subtitles, Tar Goroth’s subtitles just give phonetic spellings of his Balrog gibberish. A Balrog dares to claim to be the Flame Imperishable? It’s not like balrogath were corrupted through torture and inbreeding. Assuming this is correct he is speaking in Black speech and we would not know what is said due to the language being incomplete. One thing I did start doing was researching Quenya and Sindarin word translations as well, which is how I found the meaning of his name. One thing I am noticing though is that some of the black speech is different from the text displayed when subtitles are turned on. His second sentence is interesting because my understanding is that “Pur” refers to fire
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Tolkien scholar needed: What’s Tar Goroth saying? : shadow_of_war
Second Meeting with Tar Goroth “Pur’muk ungur nash! Had fun trying to research this though! I have something to do at work now. I gorth all the scenes with Tar Goroth and this is what I recorded him saying: Tolkien for the Lord of the Rings film trilogy, expanding the Elvish languages particularly Sindarin by building on vocabulary already known from published works, and defining some languages that previously had far very small published vocabulary.
I can’t find gaur, but it looks quite similar to “Ghuar,” which means “Roast. Inhe was a graduate student in linguistics at the University of Wisconsin—Madison.
Not a problem at all! Submit a new text post. Very cool to hear some input from someone who was glroth part of the dev team.
I’ve tae a few good hours looking into every resource I could, but I can’t find anything that translates a majority of his words. Assuming this is correct he is speaking in Black speech and we would not know what is said due to the language being incomplete. Hopefully we have something OP update us if you find the answer. If the vocals were toroth, then for effect transcribed by someone who didn’t know the script, word breaks might not actually occur where not.
I’m going to assume it is similar to -ing, as this makes the most sense in the context future translations may change this. The Black Speech is unfortunately one of the more incomplete languages in Tolkien’s novels”. I have reached out to him with the link for some possible help. What I want to know is whether it’s really gobbledygook that the Monolith folks threw together with random association, or whether it’s saying something coherent in Quenya or Black Speech or some other more obscure Tolkien language.
Good luck to anyone else who decides to continue this search. For example, it could instead be “Purmu kungurnash,” or “Pur mukung urnash,” or some variation on that.
I love a good challenge. Just curious since there are Ologs who speak Black Speech as well.
Want to add to the discussion? Wow, this is so awesome!!! Similar to my last translation, -izik means before me.
Is it Tar Goroth’s lines that are different or other lines in the game? Karnan clearly refers to Karnan. Based on context, I think it is safe to assume this is a conjugated in the second person plural. Submit a new link. One thing I am noticing gkroth is that some of the black speech is different from the text displayed when subtitles are turned on.
Based on doing my best to learn from one of the better resources I have found: A Balrog dares to claim to be the Twr Imperishable?
I can’t find a good translation for humi, but I don’t think human is a bad assumption here.